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    Ladbrooke Bomeke
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    • Contribution Score 24

    So I’m on my own again to improve on violin and I think whatever roadblock I come to, I can get help and answers from this site and want to strive to get better so I can somehow make a living through what I love.

    Looking through the advanced lessons on this site, I came across the video talking about the Kreutzer Etudes. I ended up downloading the file this site freely offers and absolutely loved what I saw. I’m sorry, most etudes in the past have bored me and I never seem to finish them. So I just mainly practice scales, arpeggios and performance pieces. Looking at the first etude from Kreutzer, it’s like it involves all your musical senses at once. Bowings, crescendos, rhythms, FINGERINGS! Trills, etc. I’m really excited for these etudes but I want to go about it doing it right. To master the etude in the quickest amont of time and progress to the next.

    So I think the best way to go about this is learn the notes first (intonation), then rhythm, after that comes correct bowings, add the trills and grace notes, then finally add in the crescendo and decrescendo written thoughtout the first etude. Is that the best way to go about these etudes?

    P.s. The first etude sounds like something Sherlock Holmes would play!

    #13326

    William Bickerstaff
    Participant
    • Contribution Score 290

    I have a copy of Kreutzer study #2 which takes you from 1st through 10th position with a 9 page explanation of the exercise. It is in .PDF format. Interested? If you are, send an email to missippi_hippy@yahoo.com with the subject line Niff T. Shift and I’ll get that out to you… if it works.

    #13332

    Dianne Adkins
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    • Contribution Score 325

    Hi Ladbrooke! As far as the process you describe, if you are into the Kreutzer etudes, you shouldn’t have any troubles reading through with most everything in place. Of course, if you are attempting something really hard, I think your break down makes perfect sense, but you may be on one etude for a long time, or not finish it when it gets too hard. I would encourage you to go through the literature in loose order, just so you get all the benefits of fundamentals introduced in earlier etude books. They do sometimes seems boring, but you have to try to think about what you’re supposed to be learning from them.

    I don’t know your level of playing, but every student who I give etude books to has to work through the easy ones and progress to the next. Especially if you plan to get a music degree, college teachers will expect that you’ve gone through in an orderly fashion. I’ll try to put an ordered list together sometime, but meanwhile be sure you include technique study books along with an etude book. Here are some ‘staples’ you should be covering before and along with Kreutzer:

    Flesch or Galamian Scales and arpeggio studies
    Wohlfahrt 60 Etudes Op. 45 Books 1 and 2
    Schradieck School of Violin Technique
    Sevcik School of Violin Technics, Op. 1
    Josephine Trott Melodious Double Stops, Books 1 and 2
    F. Mazas Op. 36 Forty Selected Studies

    Happy practicing!

    #13353

    William Bickerstaff
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    • Contribution Score 290

    Thanks for that list. I can add them to my routine starting tomorrow. I am presently working through the Wohlfahrt and Trott books. However, my teacher has me working with the Barbera Barber “Scales for Advanced Violinists” rather than the Flesch.

    #13355

    William Bickerstaff
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    • Contribution Score 290

    I am presently working in the Trott and Wohlfahrt books and my teacher is presently having me work in the Barbara Barber “Scales for Advanced Violinists”.

    #13365

    Ladbrooke Bomeke
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    • Contribution Score 24

    A sad truth, most of the teachers I’ve had throughout my life haven’t given me a lot of etudes. Exercises yes, to practice certain techniques but I can’t recall actually going through a book of etudes. I’ve been trying to attempt going through them on my own, but I just don’t get involved in it like I think I should. With the three octave scales, I actually step away from the music stand and close my eyes to listen to sound and intonation, and then look in the mirror to make sure everything else is in order as I play. I’m trying to work at being mentally and physically involved in etudes too because I know they’re just as important as scales, just haven’t been able to maybe until now….

    I attempted the first Kreutzer etude and so far everything is coming easily. I like how it’s already taking me into the higher positions and not just on the E string and getting me to try new things. That one I plan on posting here online for criticism as soon as I feel it’s ready to be judged lol

    But now I have a nice list to turn to if I end up being humbled by the Kreutzer etudes and/or receive honest criticism from fellow violinist.

    #13903

    violinist062391
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    • Contribution Score 16

    learn the notes first (intonation), then rhythm, after that comes correct bowings, add the trills and grace notes, then finally add in the crescendo and decrescendo written throughout the first etude. Is that the best way to go about these etudes.

    #15269

    Christie Morehouse
    Participant
    • Contribution Score 140

    I never knew etudes were so important! I have always enjoyed them, so now I have double reasons to practice them

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